Why is the question "Does / do God / gods exist?" important in today's world? (I would like answers, but I am also starting a new thread for those interested.)

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John McCann Profile
John McCann answered

Of less importance than the question; "Does Bigfoot exist?"

In other words the question is ill posed.

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Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
Esca[ed agaomn (O goodness, laughing so hard I can't hit the right keys.)

Edit:

Escaped again?----sanctuaries are their for the protection of those therein.

"When will they learn? When will they every learn"

Peter Paul and Mary---"Where have All the Flowers Gone?"
John McCann
John McCann commented
Yes, when will you ever learn?

Do you know what the euphemism "ill posed question" actually means? Doubtful.

Any evidence for that magic man yet? I didn't think so. Bye.
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
@John McCann

I have never met a man with your supposed science background who can be defined more by what he obviously doesn't understand than by he thinks he knows.

Come to think of it, apparently you have failed to properly separate the two categories in your mind---that certainly explains this and much more.

But---you fail to understand that this question produced exactly what I was looking for---brainstorming of a concept.

You have been unable to impose your constraints upon my God; why do you think you would be any more successful with me?

(But you would have to have studied philosophy to understand that last paragraph.)
Walt O'Reagun Profile
Walt O'Reagun answered

I don't believe it is any more important today, than it was thousands of years ago.  Probably less, as science has come a long way in explaining things that people previously could only explain as "acts of god(s)".

If you think of it, people join a religion for the same reason they join gangs ... (1) they were born into it, or (2) they are looking to belong to something.  #2 because they don't have enough confidence in themselves, and need an outside source to give them a sense of worth.

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Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
" because they don't have enough confidence in themselves, and need an outside source to give them a sense of worth." - Great observation Walt.
Darik Majoren Profile
Darik Majoren answered

While my answer is my own personal view . . . More and more I find it echoed throughout the Atheist community.

Simply put:

  1. We should care about what is "True"
  2. We should care about what is appropriately assigned to "Belief" versus what is assigned to "Knowledge"
  3. This ensures we keep moving forward with natural scientific discovery rather then set a "Supernatural Placeholder" for what we currently do not actually KNOW.
  4. There needs to be an understanding that people will OFTEN act on their "Beliefs" as truth, regardless of whether it harms another who does not share their belief
  5. The inability to distinguish "Truth" from "Belief" can pose a very real threat to benefiting the continuance and societal evolution of humanity as a whole.
  6. People who've been indoctrinated in a "Belief" WILL impose their beliefs on others to ensure it's continuance

So, this is why I feel it is important and necessary to discuss.

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Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
@Dark Majinn

I agree.

That's why I use it. It's how I feel after most interfaces with you.
Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
"That's why I use it. It's how I feel after most interfaces with you." -
So now you've taken Creepy to a new level . . .
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
Would you prefer that I use the word "slimy?"---whichever you prefer.

And yes, I know that snakes are not slimy.
otis campbell Profile
otis campbell answered

alot of people including myself looking for god gods something to beleive in. Someone or something created this

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Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
@Dark Majinn

The majority of what you say about the Catholic Church has already been expressed by heretics.

And formal heresy is "the wilful(sic) and persistent adherence to an error in matters of faith" on the part of a baptised(sic) member of the Catholic Church. As such it is a grave sin and involves ipso factor excommunication."

So even if you hadn't reject Catholicism, it would have rejected you as a member.

But enough good news.

Your definition of the hypostatic union is slightly off, but in matters of theology, that is significant. But more to the point, the inferences you infer from the concept is where you again drift into heresy (from the Church's point of view.)

You state "the concept of Excommunication is comical at best."

If it's any consolation, I find the majority of your posts that deal with Catholicism to also be "comical at best."
Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
"And formal heresy is "the wilful(sic) and persistent adherence to an error in matters of faith" on the part of a baptised(sic) member of the Catholic Church. As such it is a grave sin and involves ipso factor excommunication"
- I guess I can share this with Martin Luther . . . I believe back then it was something the church sought out to be punishable by Burning at the stake . . . Now you cannot simply partake in church services, or communion . . .and yet if I wanted to I could walk in and they would take my money . . no questions asked.
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
Well, excommunication is more complicated than that.

Even back then, excommunication did not change the fact that you are still a Christian. The effect of the sacrament of Baptism cannot be erased from your soul.

Excommunication is "medicinal, spiritual penalty" that deprives you of all participation in the common blessings of ecclesiastical society.

So, as you say, you may not participate in public worship nor receive the Body of Christ or any of the sacraments---and I'm sure you think that is meaningless.

.....Whatever

As for the money, will that be cash, check, 30 pieces of silver or some other form?

Let me know---I'll fill out the deposit slip for you.
Michael Poland Profile
Michael Poland answered

You are right to search for truth.

Weigh all information in your own mental factory.

Don't give up until you are satisfied that you have

found the truth. This could take some time.

After all you are in fact a Time Being.

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Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
I'm sure you will appreciate this:

The human intellect cannot be put in possession of its object by some exterior agent that takes it there. There is for us no knowledge except our own knowledge, no truth except self-acquired truth.

So yes, I am quite satisfied that I have found the truth.

While I am a being that is presently "located" in time, I am also what our limited language can only describe as "immortal" and will eventually exist in another mode of being outside of time.
Call me Z Profile
Call me Z answered

It's important in today's world because we see so much mass death and destruction wreaked by nutjobs who'd see their God imposed on everyone else. What is their excuse if there is no God?

It will always be important to those who put a premium on their faith. Often any answer, even the wrong answer, is better than none.

One's position on this matter can influence or direct their worldview, their set of basic values, who they vote for, what foods they eat and the way they raise their kids. I'd say its still a pretty significant concern in some circles. 

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Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
"It is good that you learn from The Z. Concentrate a little more on his measured approach." -
I would prefer to think we learn from each other, but both John and "Z" would qualify as excellent mentor's in my eyes . . . I am proud to be associated with them.
Call me Z
Call me Z commented
Gentleman.....
I see you've gone and got muddy without me.

To Dark: Thank you Sir, , know that respect goes both ways here. The lemmings thing was a hoot.

Tom: Thank you Sir.. You and I are have some fundamental disagreements, but we have reached a sort of common ground, which I hope we can continue to put to an honorable test from time to time.
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
@The Z

Now that's a classic. Deathless prose. " I see you've gone and got muddy without me."
Virginia Lou Profile
Virginia Lou answered

Dear Tom Jackson,

In our traumatized world, I think it is actually better to get beyond that God question altogether…and as quickly as we can…

Atheists often point to slaughter in the name of God over the centuries; and indeed the best count available may be something like 55 million murdered. However just in the last century anti-religious atheist forces have exterminated something like 128 million (Russia, Germany, China, Cambodia).

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From Adolph Hitler, for example:

"After the destruction of Judaism, the extinction of Christian slave morals must follow logically... We are fighting against the perversion of our soundest instincts...That poison with which both Jews and Christians have spoiled and soiled the free, wonderful instincts of man and lowered them to the level of doglike fright."

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Maybe we can go instead to a question like “how do we unfold our finest human potential?”

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Virginia Lou
Virginia Lou commented
...and Tom I am sure you know at some level I did not intend that 'childhood agenda' comment as a putdown...you yourself mentioned buying the ten-year old ice cream in the hot weather... but eventually we do all need to get a grip and start working on ourselves directly...as the Sufis might say, to purify the heart for the Beloved...
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
Sometimes the wording alone is so "spot on" as to be characterized by an exothermal reaction regardless of intent.

I personally like extremes of temperature even if I impute the heat on my own.

Regards....
Virginia Lou
Virginia Lou commented
Received and appreciated

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