Thats not enough for me. Its a simple answer. I need more. I put my question to them. What would have happened if Jesus had not died. No one was able to answer me. Surely it would be easier to say 'If Jesus did not die then ABC would have happened and because he died that no longer happens'. One person said that if Jesus had not died then we would live in a world of Sin. Do we not now live in a world of Sin?
5-9 much more then having now been justified by his blood we shal be saved frim the wrath of GOD through Him it isn't just what JESUS did on the cross it was the sacrifice he made for man kind on cross I hope that answers you question
We would not be here.
The bible doesn't' support eternal torment as some have mentioned (and its a complete misguided view). It says they will be burnt to ashes on judgment day in the same manner as Sodom and Gomorrah. See
2 Peter 2:9
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
40so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire.
There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.
They (the wicked) marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
2 Peter 3:10,
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: And the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 3 3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.
Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: There shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. (there won't be a coal or fire after the unsaved are destroyed, after the fire cleanses the earth, than God will recreate the earth brand new)
Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.
7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. (the fire itself isn't eternal but the effects of the fire are, Eternal death/destruction by fire, Fire that destroys forever.)
2 Peter 2:6.
if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly.
Genesis 19:24> compare to Revelation 20:9,
Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah--from the LORD out of the heavens.
As for Revelation 20:10 where it says they will be tormented "forever".. The word "forever" comes from the word "eons" which could mean a limited or an unlimited period of time.. In the King James version, there are 56 connections where the word "forever" means a limited period of time.. One good example would be Jonah and the giant fish, Jonah said "i went down to the bottoms of the mountains, and the earth and her bars was about me forever" he wasn't in the fish forever but a limited period of time of 3 days and 3 nights.