Where in the bible does it say to ask Mary and the Saints to intercede for us? Doesn't First Tim 1:25, and Hebrews 4:16 and 7.25 say to prayer to God directly?

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Didge Doo Profile
Didge Doo answered

Charles is correct, it's a Roman Catholic add-on, something like adding Ad Block to your web browser. But you knew that already, didn't you? >:-/

Darik Majoren Profile
Darik Majoren answered

Such an interesting question . . .

I find it interesting that they would even be able to intercede at all since their particular "Powers" are not nearly that of God's . . . They are not Omnipresent or Omnipotent . . Handling an onslaught of billions of prayers all at once seems a tad bit daunting . . .

If you were to out rightly compare it . . . How would an 3rd world mother pleading for baby's life take a back seat to a 67 year old man's plea for help with his heart burn? . . . The child dies and the man give praise for answered prayer when he suddenly has no burning in his chest and the acid reflux has subsided . . . If both prayed to Mary, did she feel only one of these should make it to God's ear? . . . If so, why is it hardly ever that a mother's pleading on the behalf of her child gets through?

You want to believe in prayer, that is fine . . . But assigning it directly  a Supreme Being with limitless powers seems (Dare I say it) more LOGICAL then group of people that were "So-So" in the "Holy" work  they did here on earth whilst alive.

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Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
The definition of intercede is to get involved in something on behalf of another person, or to speak up or act on someone's behalf.

If we are all equal before God, then one does not need "power" to intercede.

And why do you think God is limited to your understanding of time?

God is outside of time, remember?

You can be overwhelmed; God cannot be overwhelmed----basic logic.
Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
"You can be overwhelmed; God cannot be overwhelmed----basic logic." - This phrase alone is wrought with logical fallacies, it is a wonder you are able to grasp the concept at all . . .

Regardless of the "Concept of God" being timeless (which is not directly found in the Bible but "Reasoned" by theists to be true), Any actions God would take in interacting with man is on a lone linear timeline. Man is moving in one direction down the time line and any interaction must be along that time line. At the most you could say God's view of man's Timeline is complete He knows all that will transpire along it. In this, He would make the choice that healing a man's discomfort from eating spicy foods is Just and Righteous over the healing or protecting of innocent children in that 3rd world country. Maybe the plan is for the mother, and the tests God see fit to help on her God-Guided journey is to slowly kill ALL her children in front of her . . . I'm sure there is a reason . . . . right?
Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
A mere 10 minutes and an excellent presentation - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i3mX0YRrjM
Charles Davis Profile
Charles Davis answered

Nowhere, that is strictly a Catholic ideal.

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Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
No, it's not strictly Catholic---although it is pretty "universal."
Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
Charles is correct, and it is by no means a "Universal" belief among the MANY denominations regarding Mary or any of the disciples (never mind "Saints") being the "In between" communication system to God.
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
Well, no, Charles is not correct.

And as an ex-Catholic, perhaps you have forgotten that "catholic" means "universal."
John McCann Profile
John McCann answered

Probably nowhere.

Since the bible is a collection of man made stories that contradict one another and also advises people to do horrible to ridiculous things what difference does it make?

I think there is about 4,000 flavors of christianity alone, so add ons and subtractions from the bible are probably rather common.

Tom  Jackson Profile
Tom Jackson answered

The historic Christian practice of asking our departed brothers and sisters in Christ—the saints—for their intercession has come under attack in the last few hundred years. Though the practice dates to the earliest days of Christianity and is shared by Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, the other Eastern Christians, and even some Anglicans—meaning that all-told it is shared by more than three quarters of the Christians on earth—it still comes under heavy attack from many within the Protestant movement that started in the sixteenth century.

....it is clear from Revelation 5:8 that the saints in heaven do actively intercede for us. We are explicitly told by John that the incense they offer to God are the prayers of the saints. Prayers are not physical things and cannot be physically offered to God. Thus the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God mentally. In other words, they are interceding.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/praying-to-the-saints

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Tom  Jackson
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In other words, given the same tools and a canvas, I would not be able to produce art of equivalent value or insight, just as someone who hasn't mastered the "art" of Catholicism cannot understand my intellectual "paintings" even though we both "use" (try to understand) what the words mean.

There are many Catholic saints who have exhibited unique ability to emphasize different values in their lives and they are known for those specific values.

Haven't you ever asked someone who has struggled and overcome some of the issues you have to somehow intercede for or just "help" you?

Certain works are attributed by us Catholics to specific persons in the Trinity: creation to the Father; redemption to the Son, and sanctification to the Holy Spirit.

Sometimes I pray to "God" (all three); and sometimes I pray to the Father, sometimes to the Son, sometimes to the Holy Spirit based on their "areas of expertise."

Sometimes I deal with the the saints who seem to have exhibited a real understanding of the issues with which I have to deal and ask them to let God know I'm coming.
Perry Nuttal
Perry Nuttal commented
Thank you for explaining, and to be honest I'm not familiar with the Catholic religion, I have catholic friends, mainly irish catholic, but they couldn't really help me. I guess I would find it simpler to go straight to God if everything emanates from him. I'd have to look into the history of the protestant and catholic church, it isn't something I'm very knowledgeable on either, other than ole Henry Vlll wanting to divorce his wives.
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
Lol---which is why Henry VIII replaced papal authority with the supremacy of the English crown because the pope would not give him a divorce.

As I said before, you ask good questions---and part of the reason that is said that is because they are deceptively simple.

It is again like learning to swim. You can take all the land based courses you want on how to swim, but until you finally get in the water, you don't know intimately how it changes your body weight (buoyancy) and how easily you can move around. So until you actually immerse yourself into a religious "environment," it's hard to really know how all the disparate things you have read about are actually connected.

(And, if you have never been to the Great Salt Lake, you can float there, but it's very hard to swim---the high salinity keeps your body too high out of the water to easily use some of the common strokes.)
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Ty Hibb answered

This is church theology. The bible says that in latter periods of time there would be a deviating from the truth. Men would seek followers for themselves in doing this. To protect yourself from this deviating you must approach the "hearer of prayers", our creator and allow him to give you direction from his word the bible. Keep in mind the bible was written in such a way to cause a separation among those that read it. When you read it in sincerity, humility, and honesty you separate yourself as God has purposed. It is God's purpose to organize people that are willing to use their free will as intended and fill the earth as God had purposed. 

Virginia Lou Profile
Virginia Lou answered

Dear Pea Nuts,

I don't have a Biblical reference for you...this answer is more from my own experience with prayer.

And the "correct" prayer for each of us is whatever comes most natural to us...so if you are drawn to the Beloved God directly, then in my way of thinking that is the best way for you to pray. We are each unique like the Beloved God is One and unique, and we are so cherished.

Even when you go through the saints and angels and divine teachers, I am not sure they intercede for us, as such, so much as they simply amplify our prayers...I assume by adding their prayers to our own.

Because as your heart becomes more aligned with the Reality of Love, then your prayers become ever more powerful. So when those great Beings add their prayers to ours...wow!

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Virginia Lou
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Hey Dragonfly, all through my travels whenever I saw a dragonfly or its image I always thought of you...
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DRAGONFLY!!!!!!!! :0)
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Virginia, you brought tears to my eyes. You've been missed. I am truly honored by your kind words. I hope your travels went well, and hope to see you again soon.

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