If God and Jesus are the same then how can Jesus be God's son? I am confuzzled.

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Don Barzini Profile
Don Barzini answered

Jesus didn't claim to be God, he often referred to himself as the "Son of Man", doing "his Father's work".

He was only attributed the status of "Divine" (by those with a vested interest, no less) hundreds of years after he died.

Of course nothing Jesus ever said or did was written down by anyone who was there, so take it for what you will.

A point can be made that you, as a member of the laity, are supposed to be confused. This ensures the perpetuation of the clergy to "interpret" scriptures for the inevitably confused. Thus were the hideous Crusades and genocidal Inquisitions launched in Jesus' name by clerical "interpretations". Millions killed, entire cultures erased, while the Church got rich and powerful.

Remember, scriptures were not initially intended to be possessed nor even read by commoners, a prohibition that endured for a millennia. Many commoners were burned alive for it. Wonder why? 

Still confused? 

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Don Barzini
Don Barzini commented
Indeed. The caste system continued as before and the laity and peasantry found themselves serving the same hierarchy, only under a different theme.
Their illiteracy was key.
Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
Agreed, education (Good Education and not wonton Indoctrination), is key and the advisory of Ignorance.
Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
Sigh, sorry for incorrect spelling - It is " . . . the adversary of Ignorance."
Tom  Jackson Profile
Tom Jackson answered

Oh, that's an easy to question to answer---this should help:

The eternal generation of the Son is defined as "an eternal personal act of the Father, wherein, by necessity of nature, not by choice of will, He generates the person (not the essence) of the Son, by communicating to Him the whole indivisible substance of the Godhead, without division, alienation, or change, so that the Son is the express image of His Father's person, and eternally continues, not from the Father, but in the Father, and the Father in the Son."

I assume that you now know that I spoke in jest in the first line of this answer.

Before you try to understand how that relationship can actually exist, spend some time considering that it does exist---the Son and the Father can be of the same nature.  (I have a son, and like me, he is also human.)

And then contemplate how a father and a son are still different persons, just like my son and me.

After you've become comfortable with the possibility of such a relationship existing in God, and also of the consistency of that relationship with what you see around you in life, you can deal further with an inquiry about the Holy Spirit and the precise nature of God.

(I did not list the link from which I got the paragraph in italics, but if you highlight the italics and click on "search google for..., you will find it listed at the top of the search page.  I wouldn't go there right now, but that is of course up to you.)

You are embarking on an interesting journey---enjoy it.

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Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
@Cookie Hill

I hope you did read far enough to know that I said that I had characterized that explanation as 'simple" only in jest.

And I posted that quote to suggest that one usually needs additional background information to understand such a "technical" explanation.

For me, like you, God's word would be sufficient, but obviously the world does not agree on what God has said all the time.
Cookie Hill
Cookie Hill commented
Thanks I understand better now
Just Ice
Just Ice commented
Cookie "I understand better now" ------ and can put it in simple language for those who have not yet understood?
Cookie Hill Profile
Cookie Hill answered

Matthew 3:17 , shows that God spoke from heaven and said at Jesus baptism that he was his Son. And at John 20:17, Jesus told Mary Magdalene that he was ascending to his Father and to his God. False religion is responsible for the confusion about Jehovah God and his Son Jesus Christ, by not knowing nor teaching the truth from the Bible.

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Just Ice
Just Ice commented
but he [Jesus] said that his Father is your Father too and his God is your God too.

Are you saying that He is Father to Jesus in a different way than He is Father to you?
Cookie Hill
Cookie Hill commented
No, I am saying what the Bible is stating, that Jesus has a Father and God.
Just Ice
Just Ice commented
I fully agree with you that the Bible does say that. The Bible also has Jesus saying "my Father and your Father, my God and your God" That means
a] that Jesus and God are different, not the same, and
b] that it was not only Jesus who was a son of God but all those Jesus was talking to were also all sons of God
Darik Majoren Profile
Darik Majoren answered

You think that's confusing, try wrapping your head around the concept that IF God and Jesus were the same person, then why would a God need to send himself to sacrifice himself TO HIMSELF just TO save mankind from a rule that this SAME God created?

This would seem more of a Grand gesture for attention since there would also be no REAL sacrifice since this same God is immortal and eternal . . . Just going through the motions of a Human sacrifice.

Not the weirdest God myth though . . . You should look up other religion's concepts of God/Gods . . . Primitive man had a great imagination . . Just no logic to construct something worthy to worship . . .

In my most humble opinion.

Just Ice Profile
Just Ice answered

If God and Jesus are the same then how can Jesus be God's son? I am confuzzled.

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1- What doesn't make sense is best left well alone.

2- Jesus himself said, according to John 17:3,  that the Father is "the ONLY true God" that's simple, and it means that he, Jesus, is not God and neither is the Holy Spirit or anyone else.

That deals with Jesus is not God.

3- What about Jesus is son of God? Well "son of God" is a Biblical phrase. To know what the Bible means by that phrase who is better to turn to than the Bible itself. And yes, the Bible HAS a simple explanation for what it means by "son of God". It is in Romans 8:14 which says that "as many as are led by the spirit of God they are the sons of God". Jesus was, according to the Bible, led by the spirit of God, so he was no doubt a son of God.

Simple.

All resolved, or still confuzzled?


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Tom  Jackson
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1--Let me rephrase it then, I forget you have demonstrated real difficulty in understanding the simple meaning of things.

You have turned a virtue---"justice" into a cold and feeling thing. "Ice"---appropriately limited beyond the obvious by the word "just."

2-Another example of your ability to misinterpretation something as simple as what I say.

No wonder you don't understand what the bible says.
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
And let's see how you deal with "feeling" vs "unfeeling."
Just Ice
Just Ice commented
I don't know about your "unfeeling." but I have feeling that even with your implied highly superior understanding of what the bible says you will never be able to find a single verse in the Bible in which God or Jesus explicitly teaches any of your major beliefs.

stay cool
have an ice day
mary adam Profile
mary adam answered

John 1:1 In the beginning was the word, (logos) and the word was with God, and the word was God.

Psalms 33:6 By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, 

and by the breath of his mouth all their host.

Psalms 107:20 He sent out his word and healed them, 

and delivered them from their destruction

Psalms 147:15 He sends out his command to the earth; 

his word runs swiftly. 

16 He gives snow like wool; 

he scatters frost like ashes. 

17 He hurls down his crystals of ice like crumbs; 

who can stand before his cold? 

18 He sends out his word, and melts them; 

he makes his wind blow and

In Greek the word (logos) was the intermediate agency through which God created material things and communicated with them.

The word was thought as a bridge between the transcendent God and the material universe.

The Jews know that the universe was created with words and each word is associated with a number. Ask a scientist and they will talk about the beginnings of the universe in mathematics, and the existence of life in mathematics.

Let there be light! The first words spoken.

Jesus also associates himself with light as light chases out darkness, and light is also associated with knowledge, where as darkness is associated with ignorance. 

Hence, Jesus is God in the material realm, he is in the father and the father is in him.  Just as your body is the temple of God, and as a result you can know God.

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Cookie Hill
Cookie Hill commented
The Bible makes sense in its teachings you have been taught falsehood so long that it is ingrained. No need to text back, no further response will be answered.
mary adam
mary adam commented
You of your own will comment on my answer, telling me I am wrong, misjudging me without enquiry and then telling me to not respond. That is classed as rudeness where I come from Cookie Hill.

No one has taught me, I read and re-read the bible. Everything I've said here is from the bible.
If Jesus is of less divinity then this becomes polytheism.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the LIGHT of men.
5 And the LIGHT shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the LIGHT, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
mary adam
mary adam commented
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was IN the world, and the world was MADE BY HIM, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the WORD was made FLESH, and DWELT among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
John 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

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