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What are the chances that God is real and heaven exists?

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Jazlyn Bell Profile
Jazlyn Bell answered

As a person who grew up in a Christian family I often found myself questioning the exact thing. To be completely honest, nobody truely knows or will ever know which religion is 'correct' or if God really does exist. It's all about faith or just enjoying life on Earth and just accepting the fact that we are put on Earth for a reason and it is absolutly okay to not have the answers or to question your religion. Currently I am no longer religious though I still and always will believe that something is out there and we are here on Earth for a reason, and we just need to accept that nobody will truely know why we exist. Just love the mystery. ;)

Walt O'Reagun Profile
Walt O'Reagun answered

The "chances" or "odds" can not be calculated ... As that depends on scientific methods.  And scientific methods have found no evidence of any deity, so according to science the "chances" are 0.

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Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
What happens, is that theists usually apply it to things they haven't seen but believe they exists . . . which is incorrect.

In other words, I have heard it so many times by apologists "I've never seen Australia, but I believe it exists." . . . this application is wrong . . . we KNOW Australia exists, from a mountain of empirical and demonstrable evidence, and can further prove by physically visiting . . . analogies such as these are often taken into consideration when theists think about "Chances" . . . or "Odds".
Didge Doo Profile
Didge Doo answered

Probably less than your chances of winning the lottery.

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Didge Doo
Didge Doo commented
I didn't really say anything, Virginia. They probably reckon I'm hopeless.
Virginia Lou
Virginia Lou commented
Aw, Dozy, well I certainly think it is worth arguing with you...I am probably going to answer this one, we can have a go!
Walt O'Reagun
Walt O'Reagun commented
We're all out buying Megamillions lottery tickets ... It's at 400+ million, now.

LOL
Call me Z Profile
Call me Z answered

I'd say every god is just as likely as any other. Or as unlikely. 

If you are entirely convinced and comfortable with a certain understanding, then it IS real, ...to you ...until you choose to think otherwise.

IF a God really IS, I contend there is very little chance that IT would resemble any of the various anthropomorphic versions conjured up by man's flawed religions.

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Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
I found it, no worries my friend.
How do you fair this fine day good sir?
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
Quite well,...as usual.
And you?---also, I trust.
Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
Just normal aches and pains that make Advil one of my close friends . . ;)
Getting used to a new mattress, so haven't figured out what side is best . . especially after a day in the gym working on my chest (shoulders give me a little trouble at night).
Matt Radiance Profile
Matt Radiance answered

Religious perspective: 100 %

Scientific perspective: 0 %

Personal perspective: 50 % / 50 %  why ?

I decided to see it from my belief, my belief is on energy, i believe the god which prophets referred is the same energy. They were smart, but people needed something stronger to get convinced by and obey, to find hope, guidance and enough fear. Religions started to born then. As we are alive, our brain sending and receiving radio waves of energy. Everything we think and do reflects back on our lives. Our brain is god. The energy.

Religion says:

God is closer to you more than your neck's artery. (sure, because god is ourselves)

God is everywhere (Energy is everywhere too, what a coincidence!!)

You pray he hears and answer, the success of god's answer depends on your faith. (sure, because when you pray, you think of what you prayed for with believe of an answer, your positivity and strong faith goes to universe and gets back to you, and the answer you would receive depends on your self confidence and believe which indirectly it's been up to faith on god)

You talk to him and you'll be calm (100 % right, you say everything stuck in your heart, no one talks back, no one points finger at you, no one shout, no one screams, no one takes you as fault, no one will look at you and say something to make you feel more horrible, you will speak your heart out instead of gathering archives of unspoken words, of course you'll feel much better)

You make a move, god will help you (sure, normally when you sit steady you won't get anything, you need to get into actions and when you believe someone has your back which indirectly you believing in yourself, you'll do much better in result)

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Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
I like this perspective . . . very interesting.
Matt Radiance
Matt Radiance commented
Thanks for letting me know. i love your religious debates in particular as well, always deep involved with sense. your words are so challenging for religious people. you might give them heartattack sometimes !!!!!!
Virginia Lou
Virginia Lou commented
DarkMajinn wonderfully thoughtful clear-thinking, I agree Dear Matt Radiance!
Michael Poland Profile
Michael Poland answered

Look in the mirror, you are the god

you seek. God is a particle not a person.

Follow the money in god we trust?

Your being led.

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Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
Really?

The “God particle” nickname actually arose when the book The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question? by Leon Lederman was published.

The man who first proposed the Higgs boson’s existence, Peter Higgs, isn’t all that amused by the nickname “God particle,” as he’s an avowed atheist.
Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
Interestingly, his heritage is of Jewish culture. Perhaps an homage to a traditional belief system left behind . . . since Leon Lederman IS an Atheist - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_M._Lederman#Personal_life
KB Baldwin Profile
KB Baldwin answered

See Pascal's Wager:  Based on the assumption that the stakes are infinite if God exists and that there is at least a small probability that God in fact exists, Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas they stand to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell).

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Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
Lol---I'm sure you know I'm not too concerned what other people think in general---and theists are also "other people."

And I would distinguish "belief" from Faith as a theological virtue.

I find my God to be attentive to as much as an inadvertent glance in His direction. By that you effectively chose to enter into His presence and then He invites all who got there---whether by running in or simply by opening the "wrong" door---to stay.

And whether you stay or leave, I maintain that you have been changed---whether you like it or not---and you now have to make a choice---even if it sometime in the future---to believe or to not believe.

I believe in an immortal soul; you do not.

I believe in a specific God, you do not.

That's fine, but how can you ever understand or even imagine what possible relationship there may be between two things that you do not think exists?

You require that my relationship with my supposed God meet certain standards that you think would be minimum of any such hypothetical relationship or you attempt to poke holes in.

I see that as a "reverse" snipe hunt---you are complaining about what you consider to be a non-existent bird should look like.

And that doesn't fly in my world.

I occasionally spend an evening sitting around God's campfire, but unlike you, He never tries to hold my feet to the fire.
Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
"You require that my relationship with my supposed God meet certain standards that you think would be minimum of any such hypothetical relationship or you attempt to poke holes in" -
Trust me, my intent is to not pokes holes in your beliefs . . but in order to have a relationship . . the object OF said relationship must be believed in . .
Even in the movie Harvey, the relationship required a belief in that invisible bunny.
Walt O'Reagun
Walt O'Reagun commented
Pooka ... not bunny. ;)
Darik Majoren Profile
Darik Majoren answered

So first off . . . Which God. There are more then one and the one's associated NOW with what we deem as myth need be proposed as well, since they were ALL part of legitimate religions at one time or another.

So we can successfully ask:

What are the chances that Zeus is real and Olympus exists?

What are the chances that Odin is real and Valhalla exists?

What are the chances that Osiris is real and Fields of Hotep exists?

There are many more, but if these sound preposterous, then the default is no Gods . . . Otherwise All Gods have equal standings. What we will find to be true, is that where ever you are born, you are most likely to believe in the God/Gods of that particular region and culture, by pure exposure and indoctrination.  Belief is just that . . . Belief . . . By this governing ideology "What are the chances" can literally be applied to any doctrine offered as a "Belief System" . . . Hence, why L Ron Hubbard was able to create a religion out of the belief that we are all inhabited by the Souls of an alien race of slaves all killed by their masters in a volcano after being chased to planet earth . . . . WHAT ARE THE CHANCES this is true?

Supernatural only has a place with "Belief" . . . It has no place with "Knowledge" . . .

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Walt O'Reagun
Walt O'Reagun commented
Tom Jackson commented 6/29/2016

"Be for me or against me or I will vomit you out of my mouth."

Not a call to action, just a call to get off the fence.

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Seems to me, that neutralizes Pascal's Wager.
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
The view from the home plate umpire's position is different from the fan in the bleachers; the knowledge base is usually different as well, and so are the responsibilities of each during the game.

Pascal's wager is just to get you in the door---we'll explain more after your're inside.

And of course you are free to leave at any time.
Walt O'Reagun
Walt O'Reagun commented
Already been inside, Tom.
Pascal's Wager is the ultimate fence-sitting. "We'll say we believe it, just in case"

I think if Jehovah is real, the JWs probably have the right of it as far as how many people will actually get into heaven. I doubt HE could find more than 144,000 people that are true believers and follow ALL His requirements.
John McCann Profile
John McCann answered

You mean "what is the probability of gods and heaven."

Statistically speaking the probability is vanishingly small ( the correct statistical term ) which means that the probability may be greater than 0 but without evidence of either of these phenomenons the probability of them approaches 0.

Richard Berger Profile
Richard Berger answered

That is an illogical and meaningless question, since chance refers to likelihood of something following from something else. There is by definition nothing previous to God hence nothing upon which to have 'chances'. The chances of you winning a horse race depend on all the components that go into the horse race. Nobody places bets AFTER the race has been run.

Virginia Lou Profile
Virginia Lou answered

Dear Anonymous,

Yes, absolutely, 100% chance yes God is real.

We have created beautiful paintings, architecture, culinary masterpieces... And those are certainly real...and similarly when we create God(s), Goddesses, those are real, too.

* * *

But it would be nice if we could be REALLY careful not to make God with a nasty disposition and then blame Him for our own need to harass and control others...

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Virginia Lou
Virginia Lou commented
Oh Dozy, now THAT would be an indispensable addition to world philosophy, I feel certain...plus I would enjoy it lots of laughs!
I hope you do!
Didge Doo
Didge Doo commented
Have you ever heard of Dougas Adams's "Electric monk"? It was potted faith for busy people and would believe all manner of things on their behalf. Until it developed a fault

"Unfortunately this Electric Monk had developed a fault, and had started to believe all kinds of things, more or less at random. It was even beginning to believe things they'd have difficulty believing in Salt Lake City. "

Here's a link: http://theelectricmonk.com/ElectricMonk.html
Virginia Lou
Virginia Lou commented
Dozy I had not heard of that...and I had such a wonderful time! Now I realize that MY God needs lots of money sent to my own post office box, do you think I can get by with that?

And the new monk that could believe up to 16 contradictory things simultaneously without generating any irritating system errors...oh it is delightful!
Tom  Jackson Profile
Tom Jackson answered

100% is my theology. 

(Other answers may well vary.)

Science doesn't draw conclusions about supernatural explanations

Do gods exist? Do supernatural entities intervene in human affairs? 

These questions may be important, but science won't help you answer them. Questions that deal with supernatural explanations are, by definition, beyond the realm of nature — and hence, also beyond the realm of what can be studied by science. For many, such questions are matters of personal faith and spirituality.

http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/whatisscience_12

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John McCann
John McCann commented
Tom Jackson

wordy bs as usual

"Do you not remember the function of hypothesis and its role in the scientific method?"

Then you give me some philosophical bilge water explanation

a hypothesis is an if....then statement

if there is a magic man then that magic man should manifest itself in the real world

As i said your hypothesis is rejected

No evidence from you, just cheap talk
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
John, are you cleared to venture out on your own?

I have my concerns about what these opinions of yours may indicate.

Put that woman down at the other side of the creek, John. I'm beginning to feel embarrassed for you.
John McCann
John McCann commented
there is no woman and there is no creek

so, there is no evidence either

until next time or when you get evidece

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